• From: Portland, Oregon
  • Registered: 04-15-2010
  • Posts: 10

Topic: Lowering the age of consent

I have noticed that your discussions and points cover a variety of things but they tend to avoid this one. I would like to know if there's anyway we could get more active about this topic as well because it is important. It affects our privacy, our freedoms, and I find this law to be a bit offensive. I have researched it quite alot and discovered different takes on the law and reasons that it is implemented. I understand that its taboo to talk about "sex" sometimes but this is one of the main reasons that I beleive in a push for youth rights.
I have looked up the terms and found out a variety of deffinitions, all of which are patronizing. They claim that teens and people under the age of 18 can't "understand" the consequences and implications that sexual activity has on their bodies and futures but that's not true. They claim that "the mentally disabled and minors (under 18) can't consent fully and must have an advocate. -They claim that children would get "taken advantage of" if the law was lowered.  But this is not so. It's true that there are some children that can't handle that responsibility and freedom, children who are very sheltered. But it is also true that age (from my expereince) doesn't and shouldn't  define most people.   
I know from experience that having a  healthy relationship with someone older isn't always a bad thing and although I have not been sexually active with this said person persay (because I love them and don't want them locked up) I have broken the law before and I don't feel "victimized" or "taken advantage of".

I want to someday live in a world where me and my partner can walk downtown holding hands, were I can introduce him to my mother (because I know that she'd love him if he were my age) and where I won't be judged just because I like someone whose a few years older then me. I want to at least help make that world possible and so that is why I beleive that we should take a stand and at least discuss this "taboo" idea of free love.

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  • Registered: 01-25-2011
  • Posts: 3

Re: Lowering the age of consent

Here is a long long discussion about this issue:

http://www.eq2flames.com/hall-flames/49 … ker-4.html

Ill be filing suit in federal court sometime this year. Your arguement above is good and I will use it, Ill be mostly argueing that although the supreme court held that the state has a compelling interest in proctecting minors from harm the state should have to prove harm (just like people who sue for 42 usc 1983 violations have to prove harm). Getting money and having orgasms are benifits not harm so cases like mine (see my web site www.samdeathwalker.com and register to find a link to my prior court filings) and the "hummer mom" (google hummer mom), should not be prosecuted.

http://openjurist.org/891/f2d/715/ferri … ara-county

Another argument is that if minors have the right to say no they clearly also have the right to say yes .....

If you are in fact under 18 you might want to consider joining the suit, as I am pro per and not an attorney I might not have standing to raise claims that your (the minor) rights are violated, although I will be alleging taxpayer standing so I think I can. See my prior case.

We really would benifit if we could get the ACLU or some attorney to help out also but ...

Please only talk to me on open forums like this one.

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  • From: Portland, Oregon
  • Registered: 04-15-2010
  • Posts: 10

Re: Lowering the age of consent

I am in fact under 18 and I have always wanted to join some  sort of movement to allow a lowering of the age of consent. I don't know about prostitution...that's an entirely different thing all together, and it's only legal in Nevada for adults anyhow... but to lower the age of consent is something I am very passionate about. I'm just afraid if I were to get behind this movement or do something about it my parents would find out and watch me a whole lot more closely because they'd probably assume I was seeing someone older, (which I am). I'd have to sacrifice being able to see the person I love because my stance on the age of consent would be out in the open... and I don't want to do that, because I care about them. I would be interested in hearing mroe about this though.

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  • From: NYC
  • Registered: 03-07-2011
  • Posts: 18

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Hi buffyswan and other posters ! Yeah , I ve been a supporter of youth rights for almost 21 years now ( I mean 21 years because Ive in some way supported my freedom since I was a newborn baby ,and I am turning 21 soon lol) and ive been outraged by those stupid "age of consent " laws since puberty , because , well , you know ,but I didnt just bow down before the MAN like a good little adult just because the age-nazis commanded it , I m still with you kids ...Well anyways , yeah , I am tired of ignorant ,bleeding hearted but semi well intentioned people going around saying that teen boys and teen girls "dont like sex " or "its bad for their mental health , its stupid beowned ....well alot of things but ...common , people , you cant actually believe that having sex with a 14 year old ,mentally and physically mature girl is somehow concidered rape, even if the girl is in many cases the one seducing the guy ! I could see if they said like 10 year olds dont know what they are doing ,but ,come on ....with puberty comes desire .....natural fact , something that you cant change no matter how you try to smutter your kids in "psudomorals and laws " .
But heres the point to my rambling .....I support freedom . FREEDOM. Not ORDER. NOT whats logical . Not what is concidered unoffencive or politically correct . But FREEDOM. I mean , I dont really care how bad doing something to your self hurts you , as long as you dont interfere with other peoples freedom.Lets put it this way , Aleistor Crowley said " do what thou wilt be the whole of your law" ....It sounds chaotic and anarchist and even "evil " to some extend  but what did he "wilt to do " ? And if the law is stated to everyone in the cult , then the members would apply some basic moral thoughts on it , and demand that ,while people can do their "will" their "will" cannot interfere with other people's will so far as their will is not to disrupt their willful will. Sorry this sounds complecated and stupid ,but It makes sence .This very LAW protects against things that would somehow interfere with what people want to do , like rape or murder would (in ovious ways ) but not against things that people wish to do to THEMSELVES or to wierd ,crasy people who like being hurt ( there are people like that out there ,trust me ).What  I am trying to get at is , that it doesnt matter if some conservative person is "offended " by it , if you want to do something ,no matter how stupid , to your self , or to consenting others , you have the right to do such .Infact I dont support any form of age restriction right now because age doesnt mean everything .And as for "maturity " or "they we'rent educated enough in sex" are NOT legitimate excuses to "protect " kids from "harm" or anyone else for that matter ...I mean I am pretty sure that ALL teens have heard of pregnatcy and condoms ,no matter how idiotic an individual might be. People , and I mean ANYONE should not be " protected " ,and I mean protected sarcastically ,here , not that I believe in going around and harming people and they shouldn't have the right to defend them selves .

Age of Consent :your body will deside what it wants , or prehapts ,mother nature , lust , love , Cupid ,or just your whims will deside for you ....NOT UNCLE SAM OR YOUR PARENTS !!!!

Yeah , sorry for writting so strangely , I might have sounded diabolical or evil ,so if you have any comments or suggestions on how I could restate some of the things I said , please let me know. , I am just soo tired right now but I just wanted to get this off of my chest . I'll edit it later.Besides , I have more to say on this topic later.

Last edited by Simon (03-07-2011 18:51:06)

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  • From: NYC
  • Registered: 03-07-2011
  • Posts: 18

Re: Lowering the age of consent

@samdeathwalker. Hey buddy , I wish you luck in your case agianst those dirt bag coprophilic , neo-nazi , urine-drinking ,ass licking , retarded mothas of worms .As for Hummermom , I dont care how old or ugly she was to someone else , to those boys she apparently was a beautiful sex goddess . I hate it when people stick their filthy noses into other people's buissenes
I hope she slips out of the trouble shes in...

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  • From: Portland, Oregon
  • Registered: 04-15-2010
  • Posts: 10

Re: Lowering the age of consent

That's some pretty strong language there... and yes what you wrote was a little confusing. I agree with the fact that people who want to have sex or who want to be with someone should be able to, however like it or not some teenagers and children are stupid and need to be protected. Parents can brainwash their children and mold them into whatever they want them to be or think. I mean just look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IguW9xHd2qo
So as you can see, (I'm not trying to bring religion into this) but this was just an example of stupid things that children can think just because their parents raised them that way. If a parent can raise their kid to beleive some messed up religion then they can raise their child to beleive that condoms don't exist and babies really do come from storks. If you're subjected to something long enough you can learn to beleive it and therefor some children and people have a hard time making decisions for themselves. I'm not meaning to be the devil's advocate. I see both sides, and from my side I think that they should lower the voting and consenting age to 14 or at least 15. I mean adults can be taken advantage of just as easily as children can depending on the adult and it's the same with a minor. Some of us are smart and some of us are stupid and do need "protection" but it is just plain wrong to create this silly blanket law that prohibits anyone from finding love or having sex with someone older.

Infact having a relationship with someone older can be more positive and constructive then having one with someone your age. For example boys my age are moody, innocent, unintelligent and just undesirable. But my partner who is older is nice and sweet, he cares for me and he never has random bouts of depression where he'll stop texting me just cus he's having a hormonal day. He's has more experience with woman so he knows how to treat me. He has a stable job which means he can buy me dinner and take me out without asking his parents for money. He understands how I work and doesn't think an open relationship is crazy, he doesn't get jelous when I hangout with my guy friends and I don't get jelous when he hangs out wtih his girlfriends. We have never had a single fight in the whole year we've been dating because if we disagree on something...well... we just don't disagree on anything...ever. We love each other and I know that I'm going to have a future with him. I've been in many relationships, some with minors and I can say from experience that you love who you love, you're atracted to who you're attracted to and the law can't really get in the way of that. The only thing the law can do is lock up your loved ones. But that won't stop you from caring about them or being attracted to them. I guess most of this is just ranting on my part but if I can end this post with a main point or something I'm trying to say I'll say this:

Maybe some people need this law, but most don't and a blanket law is harmful.There has to be another way to protect the innocent and allow free love.

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  • From: NYC
  • Registered: 03-07-2011
  • Posts: 18

Re: Lowering the age of consent

Okay , buffy , yeah , you made a valid point with your video but there were some holes in your logic , or at least the way you stated it, or maybe the way I stated my statement , I donno, But , yeah , Uncle Sam shouldnt intervine with peoples rights to do as they wish ammongst themselves ,people have the right to make bad desicions on their own . Furthermore , LOL, I must say that I retract my previous misconcepted statement that there arent any kids anywhere that dont know about condoms and birth control  , amnish nutters dont teach their kids about it and the kids have no way of knowing it exists in some places . Some kids from hard core catholic families are brainwashed against birthconttroll ,which I believe to be one of the best modern advances in healthcare . Anyways , I sincerly doubt that any kids that go to public school and are granted access to the internet , books , social gatherings of any kind involving "normal" kids ,ect havent heard about what might possibly happen when a dude sticks his willie in her "special place " .LOL , Brittish humor there. Anyways, yeah  ,sure many girls arent ready for sex until they are like 14 or so , but there are many very premiscuos 12 and 13 year old girls out there that it would be a shame to deny the dating and sexual world . These girls know what they are douing for the most part and have every right to enjoy their pasttimes .Furthermore, yes , I do think that some ,little  , immature girls do get involved with sexuality too early due to peer pressure or a crush on an older guy and do regret it ,but as I said before ,trauma is part of peoples learning experiences  ,it is part of life .People need as much freedom as possible ,and they need as little "protection" from the outside world as possilbe ,just enough to protect them from truely bad people .
I just defended this heartless pragmatic thought because I know from experience that it is better not to relie on restrictions and the establishment to protect you .I have a gun at home for protection.

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  • Registered: 10-14-2010
  • Posts: 2

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Let me say this:

If children are more easily taken advantage of, fine. It doesn't matter. There is no way that selecting an arbitrary age for when people are allowed to legally have sex is going to have any positive effect. Situations where a child is RAPED or ABUSED should be covered easily by RAPE and ABUSE laws. "Statutory rape" (i.e. age of consent law) does not in any way offer more protection from actual rape for children.

There is not a particular age when kids suddenly magically gain the ability to consent to an activity. Whether or not a child truly consented to an activity should be decided in the same way as if he/she was an adult, not by some arbitrary life span in which all consent is considered to be completely invalid.

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  • Registered: 01-25-2011
  • Posts: 3

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Ya if the voting age were lowered then the age of consent would be the same.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gamin … 6047652627

Here an adult dies, and an adult couple lets their child die. Whats the response? Pass a law restricting the rights of minors. Why? Because minors can't vote and have no political power. Governments won't pass laws restricting the rights of voters because they will lose votes, they always go after those who cannot vote, or who are to small a minority to be concerned with.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- … 04083.html

http://eji.org/eji/childrenprison/deathinprison

Why should anyone be subjected to life in prision before they are old enough to vote for those who make the laws?


Also when its private, without advertizing or 3rd party involvment, the payment of money for sex can be called "nuptail gifts". It also shows that the motiviation of the minor was money rather then threats or force or some kind of nefarious motivation.

http://ns.umich.edu/htdocs/releases/story.php?id=6472

You wouldn't suggest that 20 percent of the students at the University of Michigan are prostitutes?

Last edited by samdeathwalkerdotcom (05-04-2011 20:16:13)

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  • Registered: 05-30-2012
  • Posts: 1

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when kids suddenly magically gain the ability to consent to an activity. Whether or not a child truly consented to an activity should be decided in the same way as if he/she was an adult, not by some arbitrary life span in which all consent is considered to be completely invalid.

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